This is the final installment of the River Ties interview with Guy and Matt. In part 1, we met the artists behind the River Ties project. In part 2, we learned what it takes to make a river documentary. And now, in part 3, Guy and Matt share their expertise and tips to help YOU decide if you want to embark on a river adventure
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Guy: This group had always been on rivers, mostly in the Ozarks. But they got into these big western trips after taking commercial trips on the Grand Canyon, saw how the guides operated and thought, “hey, we can do that.”
HCRB: What kind of gear should a first-timer invest in?
Guy: A PFD (personal floatation device) to keep your head above water and dry bags for your gear, nobody likes a wet sleeping bag. Some river reading and running skills also never hurt anyone!
HCRB: How accessible is the Green River?
Guy: Many sections require a permit, some are via a lottery while others are first come first serve. The water itself depends on the section and the season. There is everything from whitewater to pretty flat water.
HCRB: What about those of us around Kansas City, where is a good place to start a water adventure?
Guy: We are very fortunate to have such a fantastic river system in the Ozarks, right next to all of our climbing, camping and hiking that we all do down there anyway. The Ozark Mountain Paddlers is a club out of the Springfield area that is a great resource for information, safety, and friends.
HCRB: What are 3 important tips that you have for water adventurers?
Guy: Be safe, relax and have fun.
HCRB: How different is a river trip than a land / hiking trip?
Guy: You can take just about any creature comfort you want with you, (as long as it fits in the boat) and gravity does most of the work.
HCRB: How does River Ties encourage people to get outside?
Guy: I think it shares the unique experiences that you can only have in nature. The beauty, the peacefulness and the friendship you find outdoors is hard to beat.
HCRB: Let’s revisit “Leave No Trace.” What is your take on seeing a messy campsite?
Guy: I get irritated seeing trash in the city, much less in our open spaces. The best bet is to keep it clean from the start, no matter where you are. Fortunately the rivers out there tend to stay fairly pristine.
Matt: A littered campsite ruins the experience and the point for getting out of town and away from the city.
HCRB: What can everyone do better about leaving no trace when they are on an outdoor adventure?
Guy: Pack everything out and maintain the best practices for erosion prevention in that area.
Matt: Also make sure to pick up extra trash that you find so that the next person gets to enjoy an even better view – pay it forward.
HCRB: Name the best books you have read about the outdoors.
Guy: I particularly like The River of Doubt: Theodore Roosevelt’s Darkest Journey
Matt: One of my favorites is Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage
HCRB: What was your best outdoor trip and why?
Guy: Hard to say, they all have a special place in my heart. My last kayaking trip to Colorado was particularly good as I was with a good crew, hit some epic runs and got to paddle all week.
Matt: I have to agree with Guy, each trip is special and I always take away something from each one, but probably one of my favorites is last years when I did a 3 day aid climb in Zion.
HCRB: What are two things that anyone can do to help ensure an enjoyable outdoor adventure?
Guy: Make good decisions and share the experience with friends.
Matt: Relax and live in the moment.
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The End
This concludes the 3 part interview with Matt Kocourek and Guy Giamo-McClung. We hope that you have enjoyed learning about the River Ties Project. If you happen to be the kind of person that supports excellent projects like this, click on this River Ties link for more information about how you can help.
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